
Brian D. McLaren
Marco Island, Florida, USA
The Spiritual Journey of Brian McLaren
A moment for me occurred somewhere between 12 and 14 years of age. I must have asked the question when in Sunday school class about evolution because I remember that my teacher (who wasn't super well-educated, but he was a sincere guy). Anybody who volunteers to be a Sunday school teacher for middle-school kids must have some nice bones in their body. I remember him saying, "You have to make a choice. You can either believe in God or in evolution." I remember thinking, “OK…I’m out of here in four, five, six years. I have to go along with this, but when I'm older I'm going to have a different future.” Back then I would have expected that I’d become an anti-religious person.
Not too long after that—I was 14, turning 15—some of my neighbours invited me on a youth retreat. My religious background did not offer anything like that, so I went on it and had a transformative spiritual experience. Something happened to me that set me on a different course. On the Saturday afternoon of the retreat the counselors set us all off on our own for a few hours and said, "Find a place and talk to God."
I sort of knew about saying prayers like a prayer before a meal, or saying a prayer before going to bed at night, or the kind of prayers that were said at church. But the idea of just going somewhere alone and talking to God—that certainly wasn't a part of my life. I climbed up in a tree but it wasn't an especially spiritual feeling because there were ants crawling all over me; mosquitos, too. But I remember very sincerely saying, "What do I really want in life?" And then I prayed, "I hope that I will experience the most beautiful sights and sounds. I hope I will experience the most beautiful feelings.” I think the word ‘beautiful’ was the word for me that afternoon! "If I could experience that, I’d be satisfied." I basically said, "I hope God, if you're there, that that's something that I could experience." And there wasn't anything very profound that happened, but it was very sincere. I think in some ways it was my first prayer where I was asking about what's really down inside of me; asking what do I really want?
Later that night there was a program and when it ended, we all went back to our cabins. A few friends of mine and I had arranged to sneak out of our cabins and meet up. We weren't planning any mischief, we just wanted to hang out. Four or five of us went out onto a hillside and I, for some reason, pulled away from the others. I remember lying back in the grass, looking up and seeing the stars. It was a beautiful clear night. I had the sense that whatever God was, God was in the beauty of the stars, and in the awesome vastness of space. And I had the feeling that I was loved, and that whatever God was, God was love and that I was loved. I felt that every star, every blade of grass, the trees, and cows in a field on the other side of some barbed wire, were loved. And I remember feeling every single thing was loved. And I was part of that thing. That I was, that I am loved. I started to cry. I actually was a little bit afraid. I thought, “Am I having a mental breakdown?” It wasn't stress or anything bad. It was wonderful. But it was a feeling so big I thought I might explode. I prayed, "Whatever is happening, I can't take much more of it."
Feeling the immensity of love, and beauty, and wonder, and death, and life...I stood up. I had been by myself for 20 minutes before I rejoined my friends. Because all of us were in high school at the time, we were thinking about leaving school to go on with our lives. But when I went back to sit with them, they were saying things that we’d never said to each other. We were just a couple of guys, a couple of girls who were saying, "I love you guys. I love you." At that moment, tears came back. I couldn't talk to them because I felt the beauty of what was happening. And I felt that after what I’d prayed earlier in the afternoon, I thought I might die now because everything I asked for I’d already experienced.
Something changed. This sounds very simple to say, but of course, being brought up fundamentalist, I believed that I was supposed to be good. But I had this feeling: "I'm supposed to be good. I really wish I didn't have to. I don't really want to." After that night at camp, something flipped and I wanted to be a loving person. I probably wouldn't have said “a spiritual person,” but I wanted to be a person of depth, a person of compassion. All of those things felt like what I wanted. It was like the conflicted parts of me became aligned.
Daniel’s Reflection
Brian McLaren is a celebrated writer and public theologian who is working to usher in a new, more progressive and loving Christianity than the one he sees being practiced by many people today. Brian came to this place honestly as a former evangelical pastor after years of being engaged in church planting and mentoring pastors. I was so fortunate to meet and befriend Brian at the Seminary of the Wild workshop at Ghost Ranch in Abiqui, New Mexico in 2019. He was the keynote speaker.
The question Brian asked on the first evening of our retreat was simple: “How is it that believing and practicing Christians are not more environmentally conscientious?” His premise was that when we see this world as temporary—with an Armageddon forthcoming—there is no need to protect it as our permanent home. He raised other questions in his keynote speech when he reflected on being present in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017 the night of that awful white supremacy march, tiki torches and all. His response to that hate-filled event was that we had failed to give those young white men a more compelling story than white supremacy. He said he was looking for a more compelling story—and that is what energized me to help. We ended up partnering with Vote Common Good through Pastor Doug Pagitt and my business partner, David Neal, Ph.D., to study Evangelical and Catholic voters in the five swing states of the 2020 election. Our analysis resulted in a billboard campaign called “His Words Matter” that compared the words of Jesus to the very different words of Donald Trump.
Today, Brian McLaren continues to write important books that usher in a more progressive Christianity and he is one of the lead faculty of Richard Rohr’s Center for Action and Contemplation. It is truly a great honor to be connected to this passionate pursuer of peace.
When we finally set a time for me to come interview him in his Marco Island, Florida home, I was so excited. As Brian shared his story, it reminded me of Reb Zalman Shachter-Shalomi, of blessed memory. Reb Zalman, along with several others in the Portraits in Faith project, related to me childhood experiences where they unexpectedly received a message, or rather had an experience, of oneness with all that is—all of the universe—and an overwhelming sense that they were loved and whole. Whenever I hear stories like these, I feel so jealous—not that I would have been ready or would have even noticed such an opening at an equivalent age. And I love that I hear almost the same story from sages across religions.
In the case of Brian McLaren, he found himself, as a teen, at a Christian youth retreat where, in the space of one afternoon and evening, he was able to ask what would satisfy him in life, then receive a sacred answer, and then have an ensuing experience of Oneness.
When I break down what happened for Brian, I am moved by three separate things:
First, he had the maturity to ask “What do I really want in life?” I had a lot of perceived needs at 15 years old, most of which had to do with Jewish girls in my youth group or my own sense of importance and worthiness. Brian understood decades before I did that only the examined life is worth living...just as Socrates wrote.
Second, he was quiet and still enough internally to receive an answer. Wow. When I was that age, I am not certain anything would have satisfied me or felt like enough to feel worthy and whole. Without knowing it, Brian had already internalised the Jewish Talmudic teaching from Pirkei Avot chapter 4: “Who is satisfied? He who is content in his portion.”
Third, Brian experienced an overwhelming Oneness with everything and everyone. The death of ego and separation. What a lucky and blessed man.
I love that Brian’s conclusion from his experience was that he’d hoped to become a man of depth and compassion. I cannot think of two words that better describe Brian McLaren. God puts people in your life in the most unusual of circumstances, and I am so grateful to be connected to this beautiful, provocative, inspiring human being. I want to continue to work together with Brian on a better version of this world.
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