Reverend Milton Schwantes, Ph.D.
São Paulo, Brazil
WHO IS MY TRUE STUDENT?
I didn’t have a mystical experience like many young people have because I’m too much inside the Church. I understood from theology the radical difference that God makes in life. The capacity that God has to reveal himself to us in another stage, level, of life—this was to me, the decisive moment, because to be a pastor is not very interesting. It’s a little tiresome. To be a professor or teacher is more interesting. You have more adventures.
A pastor does not have many adventures. You have somebody who lost someone in the family and you work on the meaning of life with him or her. It’s not very interesting because it doesn’t touch people that much. It’s not very interesting to get a couple together after they have fought. Only you know why they got into the argument. They don’t even know why they had an argument. It doesn’t move the world. These are very elementary things, very basic things. The large majority of the clergy gets tired. So, what’s interesting?
I had to make an effort to get inside the student so I could understand him deeply. Why couldn’t he write a sentence? And how might I help him to write a sentence? When the student starts to make sentences and thoughts, I see the flower blooming. Now he’s going to become autonomous and will walk through life, because he couldn’t write. So he wasn’t the owner of the words that he wrote.
His professor said one thing, and he repeated whatever was told to him, but it wasn’t him who was writing. He wrote ‘others.’ So, my effort is to teach that you write ‘you,’ or what ‘you’ like, or how ‘you’ like to do things. This is an enormous exercise for culture. I actually know who is my student and who is not. My student is not the one who repeats me because he didn’t get me. When he finds himself and creates his life, that’s my student.
Daniel’s Reflection
I met the Reverend Milton Schwantes after church one Sunday morning in São Paolo, Brazil but at that time only to make his portrait. Then I returned to São Paolo six years later to conduct our video interview since I had not been doing interviews when I initially started the project. In the intervening years, the reverend had developed medical problems surrounding a brain tumor. It was difficult but still very inspiring to be in his presence those six years later.
Reverend Schwantes was a highly esteemed scholar of the Old Testament and a pastor in the Lutheran church. I took an instant liking to him. He exuded kindness and had a deeply loving nature. His energy reminded me of my dear grandmother, “Bubbe.” Reverend Schwantes passed away in 2012 and it is sad for me to think of this world without his presence. He influenced several generations of pastors in Brazil.
Returning to his interview these many years later brings a smile to my face. When he said that he felt the role of a theologian and academic was much more invigorating to him than that of a pastor it made me smile as it should be that way for someone who was a theologian and academic! I loved how he’d worked hard to discern who was his true student and who was not. His goal was to help the student “find himself and create his life;” not be one who just “repeats me.”
I am often amazed at all the beautiful souls I have met on this Portraits in Faith journey. Reverend Milton Schwantes touched my heart with his loving energy and enthusiasm for life. Even when he didn’t remember our initial meeting when I came back to interview six years later, he welcomed me despite the effects of brain surgery. I treasure moments like that.
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